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Sanctification and Holiness (Part 2) – Theology Unplugged

June 13, 2015

Tim Kimberley: Fellas it’s great to be back with you guys. We had a lively discussion last week around sanctification, around holiness and we’re narrowing in…
Michael Patton: Tim, Tim how are you? Are you more sanctified today than you were a week ago?

Michael Patton Recording Theology Unplugged at Credo House

Tim Kimberley: Alas. You know what brother. I think based on our discussion I’m not sure because I do feel like when I look at my life it doesn’t feel like it’s a trajectory going up, but JJ gave the yo-yo. So I think my yo-yo has kind of… its on its way up maybe but hopefully the Lord walked up the stairs.
Michael Patton: I think…
Tim Kimberley: Is that obscure enough?
Michael Patton: …you look better.
Tim Kimberley: Thank you. I feel like I’m just going to start crying and mumbling stuff here any moment.
Sam Storms: I think people…we left them last week crying and mumbling. I think they were pulling their hair out.
Tim Kimberley: That’s right.
Michael Patton: I think everybody needs a hug.
Tim Kimberley: Well, God though throughout church history and many of us are lovers of church history, it seems like He puts signposts along the way. That the Holy Spirit works through people who love Jesus, love the Bible, and put sign posts along the way that say don’t go this way, don’t turn here, stay the course, stay the course. It seems like he puts ditches and sometime uses scripture to build ditches to say don’t fall this way. But then if you go to the other side of the road He says don’t fall into this ditch either. And so in this issue we’re in agreement that there are ditches and their are signpost that have been laid out that say as you think about what it means to grow in Christlikeness throughout a lifetime don’t think this way.
JJ Seid: In the words of Martin Luther the church is like a drunken peasant who in order to save himself from falling off one side of his donkey promptly falls off the other.
Michael Patton: I interrupted Tim earlier and we are talking about sanctification. We are talking about growing in the Lord.
JJ Seid: What’s that word mean? That’s a $10 word.
Michael Patton: To become more Christlike.
JJ Seid: Except when it means something else.
Michael Patton: To become more set apart. To become more holy.
JJ Seid: And what’s the other way it’s used in the Bible? Two senses right?
Michael Patton: I don’t know.
JJ Seid: We used the word positional and progressive last time. So it’s good for people to know that in a sense…
Michael Patton: I wasn’t listening.
JJ Seid: …we’re drilling down into looking at progressive sanctification. Progressive sanctification is something that can only happen to somebody who’s already been, in the past, positionally sanctified. They’ve been made holy in one sense, where their status before God is holy, righteous, and blameless, and yet in another sense they’re being called to act what they are. To steal a phrase from one of my professors.
Michael Patton: That doesn’t sound like what Sam said last time. Sam really messed me up and I am less sanctified this week than I was last week because of Sam. And I’m… just been struggling with his statement…
Sam Storms: I am the Holy Spirit in your life buddy. I am there to probe and to convict and to unsettle your soul.

Sam Storms Recording Theology Unplugged at Credo House

Michael Patton: Well there are certain things that we’re gonna, maybe, disagree about later but there are things that we agree about that are really, as we said, Tim or JJ said, ditches that we need to avoid. What is the primary ditch that I think everybody in the church would agree we avoid. And I’m talking Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, some Protestants, all agree, avoid this ditch.
Sam Storms: I think the one that I would immediately identify is this idea that I can exert power from within my own self by my own will independently of and without assistance from the grace of God. This k