Host Jess Del Fiacco talks with ILSR's John Farrell and Chris Mitchell. They talk about the power outages in California brought on by PG&E's negligence and how a distributed energy system could avoid future outages and detrimental fire damage. They also discuss: why it's easier to hold essential utility providers accountable at the local level [12:49]; what community choice aggregation is and how it can play a role in making energy systems more distributed and democratic in the U.S. [19:16]; and how a "utility fee" can create widespread high-speed broadband Internet access competition and offer a low-cost option for all households [23:23].