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Here’s the thing about teaching English in China: it’s a way in. “The people who come for the experience, I feel, are the most valuable people you can have in a place like Beijing because they’re learning about themselves, and you never know what somebody might be able to do until they arrive in a place like this,” says Matt Jones, an English teacher who’s using his years of experience — teaching “communication” and “culture” as much as anything else, as he puts it — to start his own school. “If the ticket is English teaching, why not use that ticket?”

He shares more insights with John Artman and The Good Doctor on this episode of The Creamcast. Making an appearance in the conversation is the famous Chad Lager (recently departed, alas), who used to share an apartment with Jones. Who learned from whom, business-wise?

Download Episode 5 of The Creamcast here, or listen to it on iTunes.

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Theme song sampled from Löhstana David’s â€Demain je change de vie,†and our logo is by Katie. This episode was recorded at the offices of Vericant.

Follow John Artman @knowsnothing and The Good Doctor @doctorentropy2. You may also be interested in Doc’s current Kickstarter, Quitting the Grave.