"If you think about this kind of treatment, there’s one important component you have to consider: there’s a difference between wanting and liking" says Dr. Robert Reiner.  The topic under discussion is Virtual Reality Therapy, a method for treating phobias and anxiety that Reiner has been on the forefront of for nearly three decades.  He and Jesse discuss the evolution of the treatment modality and its use in modern psychology.

Also in this episode, Jesse reveals his own personal phobia -- something that's been haunting him since he was a barefoot four-year-old in a soggy Oregonian garden patch...