Vertical Playpen
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Chris Ortiz - Shaver's Creek Environmental Center
Chris sits down with Phil at the ACCT Conference to talk about his start in the industry, his advice for emerging professionals and the importance of making connections. Plus, a few dad jokes make their way into the conversation.