(This is the second half of a conversation that begins in episode 56, from back in March)Christopher Napolitano is an old college friend. When we graduated, I headed off to work for literary presses Grove Press and New Directions, while Chris started working at Playboy, where he eventually rose to be Editorial Director for many years. After his 20 year tenure at Playboy, he became the Creative Director at Indian Country Today Media network.In the earlier episode, we talk about editing in general, editing one's heroes (Norman Mailer and John Updike, among them), Chris’s decision to take a sharp turn away from the glitz and glam of Playboy in the early 2000s, and much, much more. This episode is the somwehat less literary of the two. Among the topics we discuss are Chris's first-hand impression of Donald Trump (they met in the Playboy offices, near Trump Tower, on several occasions), #metoo and the legacy of Hugh Hefner, Playmates’ odd celebrity, and a story about Perry Farrell’s party at the Mansion. Find all episodes of 15 Minutes on iTunes, Spotify and pretty much everywhere pods are cast, or at http://15minutesjamieberger.com.-jb