Today's show is an interview with Eric Waeckerlin, an attorney with environmental and energy law firm Holland and Hart, talking about what's next for the energy industry, and its detractors, following ExxonMobil's legal win against the state of New York. We discuss the goals of lawsuits such as these, what energy companies are doing to defend themselves from inevitable litigation, and how the industry at large can improve its net-zero-emission outcomes by working to own the narrative in the public square.