This conversation is RICH with growth hierarchies, insight, quotes, and the enneagram! These days, John Chaffee is a modern day mystic, teaching contemplative Christian spirituality at Eastern University and holding space for anyone asking big, unanswerable questions. But his story is about the ambush of eucatastrophes he experienced hiking the Appalachian Trail and how this adventure revolutionized his life. Also, I wish this conversation was about six hours longer!

Resources mentioned:

John's website and work

Clare Graves & Spiral Dynamics

Enneagram Information

Growth Mindset

The Wounded Healer by Henry Nouwen

Thanks for listening!

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