Sivamohan Valluvan joins me to discuss his new book, The Clamour of Nationalism, Race and Nation in Twenty-first-century Britain. We spoke about why the current era is better characterised as a reactionary nationalist one, rather than as a populist moment, and we spoke about the flirtation of parts of the European left with an anti-migrant politics. We also spoke about the differences and affinities between neoliberalism and conservatism and why we may be witnessing a disarticulation of those political tendencies.