Tim Kinsella has been a working musician for over 20 years. He is a founding member of Chicago bands Cap'n Jazz, Joan of Arc, and his  newest effort, Good Fuck, which he started with his wife Jenny Pulse. He has written two novels,The Karaoke Singer's Guide to Self-Defense and Let Go and Go On and On, and also wrote and directed the film Orchard Vale. In this episode, Joe and Tim talk election fatigue, how Good Fuck recording has been a guiding effort throughout the pandemic, and how Daniel Lenois and Bob Dylan may have inspired the newest and last Joan Of Arc record. They also discuss why Captain Beerheart AND philosopher Zizak's "pressure cooker" ideas may explain why we spent four years with Trump as president. Music by Joan Of Arc, Good Fuck, Palm Fronds and Joe Plummer. Enjoy.