Here we are at the end of another series - four long years in front of the microphone! Meanwhile, in the wider world of education, Wales is heading for an important staging post on the curriculum reform journey: by the time we come back into your ears in September, the new Curriculum for Wales will be happening in schools all over the country. 

It seems a good opportunity to fire up the line to our friends in Yr Athrofa at the University of Wales, Trinity Saint David Carmarthen, and chew things over with their director of education policy, Gareth Evans. Gareth was education editor of the Western Mail for many years, and now writes fearlessly about the roller-coaster of Welsh education reform on his blog, Welsh Education Matters. 

Over 50 minutes with Gareth, we take stock of where we are now and where we might end up, pointing out the positives but also the bits that have gone less well, and some things to watch out for in the journey ahead. Hopefully there’s a lot in here for our friends and colleagues in education to chew over as they head off for a summer break and a future which, if nothing else, will be interesting…

Thanks to Gareth for joining us today - you can read his excellent blog at welsheducationmatters.wordpress.com - and we’ll be back on the 9th September for our fifth year of podcast adventures.

Thanks for listening, have a wonderful summer, and we’ll be back with you soon!

Best wishes from Emma and Tom

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Recorded in studio D0.18 at Cardiff Metropolitan University's Cyncoed Campus, and remotely, on 22nd June 2022