Episode 4, season 5 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, hosted by Sister Julia Walsh.

"Everything is a spiritual experience, and has the opportunity to provide meaning for you."-Gary Jansen

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IN THIS EPISODE:

In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, public speaker and author Gary Jansen talks with Sister Julia Walsh about everything from the supernatural to the spirituality of the seemingly mundane.

"The fact is that we're spiritual beings. We have a body. We have a soul. They're intertwined," Jansen explains, "so everything is a spiritual experience, and has the opportunity to provide meaning for you."

They discuss books, how they helped him discover his vocation and feel drawn to God. And they consider the reality of embracing a life of suffering when we choose the spiritual path.

They also talk about the mess of forgiveness, how it's truly difficult and the lessons the difficulty of that journey can teach us.

ABOUT THE GUEST:

Gary Jansen is a public speaker and author of several books, including the multi-award-winning "MicroShifts," "The 15-Minute Prayer Solution," "Station to Station," "Life Everlasting," and the memoir: "Holy Ghosts."

Jansen has appeared on A&E, the Sundance Channel, the Travel Channel, Coast to Coast AM, CNN.com, and NPR. His writing has been featured in the Chicago Sun-Times, USA Today, Huffington Post, Thrive Global, Angelus, and Religion Dispatches.

Jansen worked at Penguin Random House for 25 years where he was the editor on several New York Times bestsellers. He is now the executive editor of acquisitions at Loyola Press.

MESSY JESUS BUSINESS is produced and hosted by Sister Julia Walsh, and edited by Charish Badzinski.

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