Part one was so well received, we thought we'd better dish out part 2 pretty swiftly for you! Huge thanks goes out to Lisa Ann Watkins of Animal Art by LAW for giving up her valuable time to chat with us, it was great fun all round and interesting to have an insight into a successful artists lifestyle.

And of course, you must listen to the end, just to hear Jills story about her Arun jumper, honestly - it's pure gold!

We also totally lose it today when we get in-depth about inner voices, you'll have to listen to find out what poor Bob Ross and his evil brother Dick have to do with all of that!

Next week we'll be back to our normal format of talking nonsense with some helpful, factual stuff thrown in for good measure, plus we'll also be doing our usual recommendations too.

We thoroughly enjoyed doing this interview and already have a few more in the pipeline. We'd be ever so grateful if you could leave us a review, and don't forget to share the podcast with your arty peers and join us over on the Life and Pencils Community on Facebook.