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What Every Leader Needs to Know About Faith Crisis | An Interview with Scott Braithwaite

August 30, 2023

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in October 2018.


Scott Braithwaite has a PhD in Clinical Psychology and specializes in marriage counseling. He is a professor of Psychology at Brigham Young University, has a busy private practice, and also enjoys working with the BYU men’s basketball team. Scott is a popular presenter at BYU Education Week, where he has taught about supporting loved ones through a faith crisis. He previously served as bishop of his ward and is currently serving on his stake high council.


Scott Braithwaite


Highlights

10:10 The difference between sadness and depression

13:40 Leaders should ask for recommendations for good qualified counselors

14:15 You choose who to marry. God gives you agency.

17:40 Scott shares his experience going through a faith crisis

22:40 James Fowler’s Stages of Faith can be helpful in understanding what someone may be going through. Stage three faith identifies as a group, has rules, and is concrete. Most fall under this level of faith. Things also appear black and white.

29:00 During a faith crisis the bottom falls out, they can leave the faith and find community elsewhere.

30:35 Going through the stages of faith are not linear

33:00 Perfectionism shows up in our minds as rules, as all or nothing.

33:40 Doctrinal Latter-day Saints vs. Cultural Latter-day Saints

34:50 Sometimes struggling with faith comes from cultural issues

36:50 The idea of organic evolution showcases the different thought processes of doctrinal vs. cultural Latter-day Saints

38:10 You can’t go back to stage 3

40:30 Stage 5 is accepting the complexity of faith

40:50 Faith allows room for doubt

42:00 All faith allows room for wrestling

43:00 Stage 6 examples, such as Mother Teresa. Most people fall between stages 3, 4, and 5.

46:40 We can act as a midwife and help while people are in a faith crisis

48:30 Help others going through a faith crisis by listening to them. Listen more than talk.

50:50 Elder Ballard: Leaders ought to know and be able to address the difficult questions

56:00 There is a progression from stage 3 to stage 4

57:00 We should be able to talk about doubt at church

59:45 Help create a culture of faith

1:02:00 Elder Hafen’s stages of faith


Links

“Like a Broken Vessel”, by Elder Jeffrey R. Holland
Mormon Enigma: Emma Hale Smith, by Linda King Newell
Stages of Faith, by James Fowler
Planted, by Patrick Mason
“On Dealing with Uncertainty”, by Bruce C. Hafen
“Help Build ‘Unwavering Faith’ in Students’ Lives, Elder Ballard Tells CES Teachers”
Scott Braithwaite BYU Bio

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