Carl and Mike talk about holiday traditions and how a dinner with conservatives leads to questioning what it means to be a conservative. Then we turn to the Senate release of the CIA Torture and Interrogation Report and how it marks the loss of American Exceptionalism. We also go into the Orwellian-Speak around torture. Which leads into a conversation on the Disease of Certainty. Plus dealing with change, loosening Dodd-Frank and feeding the Corporate Beast. Leave your air of invincibility at the door; it’s time for Carl and Mike!