Ivan Towlson (@ppog_penguin) is a programmer, software architect and speaker. He works for Microsoft on the team responsible for Cloud-native developer tools including Helm, Draft, Brigade, Duffel, CNAB and VSCode extensions for Kubernetes. In this interview, recorded in a noisy Hotel lobby during Codemania 2019, we cover a wide range of topics from distributed data structures to functional languages to the history of .NET and why Microsoft is investing so heavily in opensource.