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It’s graduation season, and that means universities, already embroiled in controversy, are trying to avoid creating more during graduation ceremonies. The Ohio State University thought it would be safe to ask alumnus and social entrepreneur Chris Pan to give this year’s keynote speech at commencement. The result was total cringe.

On today’s episode of The Spectator P.M. Podcast, hosts Ellie Gardey and Aubrey Gulick discuss Pan’s 17-minute speech, which guided graduates in box-breathing drills and sing-along songs all while evangelizing for Bitcoin. Join them to hear their thoughts.